Comments on: Absent From the Body to Be With Christ? http://www.afterlife.co.nz/296/ The Conditional Immortality Association of New Zealand Wed, 21 Jul 2010 06:11:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: Raymond Bromham http://www.afterlife.co.nz/296/comment-page-1/#comment-399 Raymond Bromham Fri, 16 Apr 2010 16:56:19 +0000 http://kiwiwebhost.prion.net.nz/~soul/?p=296#comment-399 Not all conditionalists believe in 'soul sleep', so called. For example, Edward White, the celebrated nineteenth century champion of conditionalism (and author of 'Life in Christ', 1846)believed in consciousness during the intermediate state.I believe, as a conditionalist, that the big issue is the ultimate extermination of all that is evil and rebellious. Am I naive to suggest that survival of the soul in the intermediate state does not threaten the basic tenet of conditional immortality? At the same time, it needs to be stated, that 'soul sleep' does not weaken the believer's joy at the prospect of post-mortem existence with Christ; for the time gap between death and final resurrection will be as nothing (cp. the awakening after anaesthetic). Luther and Tyndale believed in 'sol sleep', but they did not appear to embrace the doctrine of eventual annihilation. (Please read my thesis on the above website.) Ray Bromham Not all conditionalists believe in ’soul sleep’, so called. For example, Edward White, the celebrated nineteenth century champion of conditionalism (and author of ‘Life in Christ’, 1846)believed in consciousness during the intermediate state.I believe, as a conditionalist, that the big issue is the ultimate extermination of all that is evil and rebellious. Am I naive to suggest that survival of the soul in the intermediate state does not threaten the basic tenet of conditional immortality? At the same time, it needs to be stated, that ’soul sleep’ does not weaken the believer’s joy at the prospect of post-mortem existence with Christ; for the time gap between death and final resurrection will be as nothing (cp. the awakening after anaesthetic). Luther and Tyndale believed in ’sol sleep’, but they did not appear to embrace the doctrine of eventual annihilation. (Please read my thesis on the above website.)
Ray Bromham

]]> By: David Parker http://www.afterlife.co.nz/296/comment-page-1/#comment-299 David Parker Wed, 25 Nov 2009 07:59:58 +0000 http://kiwiwebhost.prion.net.nz/~soul/?p=296#comment-299 If Paul knew that to depart this life and to be with Christ was referring to a future time when he would have a resurrection body, THEN he would have contradicted what he said in II Cor. 5........where he clearly said he did NOT want to be unclothed.......that is without a body. In other words, if Paul was going to leave this life and NOT be with Christ........then he would be unclothed........right? So he meant just what he said, and confirmed in II Cor 5 where he said ''absent from the body, present with the Lord''. If Paul knew that to depart this life and to be with Christ was referring to a future time when he would have a resurrection body, THEN he would have contradicted what he said in II Cor. 5……..where he clearly said he did NOT want to be unclothed…….that is without a body.

In other words, if Paul was going to leave this life and NOT be with Christ……..then he would be unclothed……..right?

So he meant just what he said, and confirmed in II Cor 5 where he said ”absent from the body, present with the Lord”.

]]> By: Afterlife » Blog Archive » Vine’s Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words http://www.afterlife.co.nz/296/comment-page-1/#comment-125 Afterlife » Blog Archive » Vine’s Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words Wed, 09 Sep 2009 23:46:04 +0000 http://kiwiwebhost.prion.net.nz/~soul/?p=296#comment-125 [...] is difficult to interpret at the best of times. The former text is explained in our article Absent From the Body to Be With Christ?. The latter text is explained in our article, The Souls Under The [...] [...] is difficult to interpret at the best of times. The former text is explained in our article Absent From the Body to Be With Christ?. The latter text is explained in our article, The Souls Under The [...]

]]> By: Jonathan http://www.afterlife.co.nz/296/comment-page-1/#comment-44 Jonathan Wed, 22 Jul 2009 23:05:45 +0000 http://kiwiwebhost.prion.net.nz/~soul/?p=296#comment-44 would you please elaborate what does Paul mean by saying "to be present with the Lord" after being absent with the body... I do believe in the unconscious survival in the intermediate state but i was having a hard time dealing with this passage. please help me. would you please elaborate what does Paul mean by saying “to be present with the Lord” after being absent with the body… I do believe in the unconscious survival in the intermediate state but i was having a hard time dealing with this passage. please help me.

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