A Brief History of Conditional Immortality and Answers to Critics Part one by David Green FDTL Iss 6

The men who led the church after the apostles died. They are called the Early Church Fathers. Some of them overlapped the apostles and, of course, learned their theology from them and from their writings, which were later collected into one volume under the title “The New Testament”.

The writings of the Early Church Fathers do not speak in terms of innate immortality or eternal torment but held closely to the biblical language indicating their acceptance of what came to be known as “Conditional Immortality”. This is not surprising as that is what the Bible teaches.

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From the President’s Desk FDTL Iss 6 1997 by Pastor David Burge

In order for anyone to live life to the full it is essential to have hope. For the Christian, hope is seizing the promise of life and salvation.We wait for the blessed hope of the appearing of our great God and Saviour, Jesus Christ (Titus 2:13). Our hope is secure as no other hope can be! There are three things to remember about the Christian hope:

Our hope is not in ourselves. We do not trust in riches (Job 31:24) or our own personal righteousness (Eze. 33:13). Jeremiah 17:5 says,”Cursed is the one who trusts in man, who depends on flesh for strength.” Job 11:20 says, “But the eyes of the wicked will fail, and escapewill elude them; their hope will become a dying gasp.” Even to the very core of our being we are “nothing but dust and ashes” (Gen18:27). There is nothing within us – no inner light, no immortal soul – to trust for our salvation. Trusting in ourselves is no hope at all (1Thess4:13).

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Where is Hell? by David Burge

Where is hell?

The most popular suggestion is that it is at the centre of the earth. (It certainly is hot down there). According to wikipedia: It’s in Norway. Hell is a village in Stjørdal, Norway with a population of 352. It has become a minor tourist attraction because of its name, since people like to take the train there to get photographed in front of the station sign. The station sign reads “Gods-expedition”, an old spelling of the Norwegian word for “cargo handling” – godsekspedisjon would be the current spelling.

Actually hell (Gehenna) is a valley south of Jerusalem where corrupt Jews burned their children as offerings to the god, Molech. It was later “desecrated” by good King Josiah. Jeremiah denounced the evil done in this place. Later rubbish from the city was burned in the valley. Thus the word Gehenna, meaning valley of Hinnom, became a suitable picture of a place of final destruction rather than torment. See 2Kings 23:10; Jeremiah 7:31; 19:2.

References:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell,_Norway

How to Persevere by Rev. Jefferson Vann

Hebrews 12:1-3 ESV
Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God. Consider him who endured from sinners such hostility against himself, so that you may not grow weary or fainthearted.

The Context of Hebrews
The book of Hebrews is a letter written to Jewish Christians in the 1st century who were being tempted and pressured to renounce their loyalty to Christ, and return to Judaism without Christ. They had to learn to persevere under that pressure without giving up their faith. All Christians of all ages can benefit from the truths revealed in this book, because we always face ordeals and challenges that seek to destroy our faith. The principles taught in the book of Hebrews can show us how to persevere.

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From Off the Shelf: ‘Body, Soul and Human Life: The Nature of Humanity in the Bible’ — Joel B. Green

Reviewed by David Burge

Joel B. Green (PhD, University of Aberdeen) is now professor of New Testament interpretation at Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena, California, after teaching at Asbury Theological Seminary for ten years, serving as vice president of academic affairs and provost. He is the author and / or editor of a number of books, including Dictionary of Jesus and the Gospels, Introducing the New Testament, and commentaries on Luke and 1 Peter. This is not however, what he is most remembered for in our family. Our Association brought Dr. Joel and Pam Green to New Zealand in September of 2005. The late Carl Josephson, who had organised the trip, was not well enough to tour with Joel, so I reluctantly (because my wife was pregnant and due to give birth while Joel and Pam were here) volunteered. By the providence of God, our baby boy arrived early (the only one of our eight children that arrived early). To remember the circumstances we named our boy Timothy Joel Burge and I got to spend a wonderful few weeks with Pam and Joel.
Once again, Joel has combined his extensive knowledge of biblical theology with his equally thorough grasp of the science of the brain to produce a volume that will be of interest to all Conditionalists. Some theologians have seen “that the encounter of long-held theological tenets regarding the human person with the principled reflection on neuroscientific innovation is a major storm brewing on the horizon” (p.16). Doctor Green’s list (found on page 20) of what may be at stake includes the following:
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Resurrection Revealed — Part 13 by Beryl Ching FDTL Iss 45

The Resurrection in Acts—Part 2

Resurrection of Jesus (cont.)

Peter, was hauled in front of the Council, to give account to for the miracle of making the lame man walk. He told them it had been done by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Again, he accused them of having crucified Him, but goes on to speak of him “Whom God raised from the dead …” (Acts 4:10).  Going immediately to the gathering of Christians, Peter and John reported what had happened, and all prayed for power and for boldness. Their prayer was answered, “And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus”. It is notable that this is the only part of their message that is mentioned in this passage (Acts 4:33).

Preaching, signs and wonders continued, and again the apostles were seized. The angel of the Lord released them from prison, and the next day they were brought before the Council. In his defence Peter said, “The God of our Fathers raised up Jesus whom ye slew and hanged on a tree…We are witnesses of these things” (5:30, 32). They refused then to obey the council, in favour of obeying God. [Read more...]

This is My Story—Part 2 by Tom Bennett FDTL Iss45

(Part 1 here)

Looking back now I can see Gods fingerprints over all the events of my journey.  But my journey was far from over, it had only just begun.  The advice from my sister Marie (I think of her as my spiritual mother) was “read your Bible”. I did and I couldn’t put it down, God was opening my mind as I read His word, words that once seemed empty and meaningless now teamed with life and meaning. God was leading me on a new journey, on His path to peace.

While staying at my sister Marie’s home, my brother-in-law Con found me a job with the courier company he worked for.  He told me there was this lovely Christian girl there who would be nice for me to meet.  I imagined that I would probably be introduced to someone’s grandmother (No offence to all those grandmothers out there) and wasn’t very interested, having decided to pursue Christ rather than a relationship. However, needless to say that lovely Christian girl is now my beautiful wife of almost 19 years.   God’s plans for me have been amazing and I thank Him for giving me Glenyss. For Glenyss and her family have been the means by which God has brought the truth of Conditional Immortality to my mind.
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Hinduism and Conditional Immortality by Beryl J Hollis ( FDTL Iss 5)( Part 3)

(Part 1 here)

(Part 2 here)

How Conditional Immortality Truths Release from Hindu Fears

  1. There are not going to be millions of rebirths. Because man does not have an immortal soul, he cannot be re-born into this world.
    To the Greek Socrates, death was a gain; to the atheist, it is a total loss; to the Hindu, “it all depends”- it all depends on his deeds during this life.
    We avoid the Greek Philosophical meaning of “soul”, nor do we base our teaching on the Hindu Vedas, Upanishads, or religious epics, but on the Bible, which is the inspired and infallible word of God. I recollect being told that when Pastor Geo. Brown first came to Auckland, many Christians searched the Scriptures for every reference to soul, some even staying up all night with their concordances. They were sure they would find some reference to “immortal soul”. Not finding any, they were convinced and embraced the doctrine of Conditional Immortality
    To the Christian, death is an “enemy”, but not an enemy to be feared, because it is to be destroyed b Christ. ” The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death” (1 Cor 15:26) [Read more...]

Hinduism and Conditional Immortality by Beryl J Hollis ( FDTL Iss 5)( Part 2)

(Part 1 here)

Teaching the Truth of Conditional Immortality

As people who believe in Conditional Immortality, how do we go about teaching this truth to Hindus?

We do not need to start by teaching against reincarnation. A Hindu who comes to Christ in faith for salvation naturally realises that the whole Christian teaching is different to Hindu teaching. There are no longer 300 million gods. Christians do not say, ” There is only one god, but he has many names”; nor do they say, ” All gods are one”. The peculiarity of Christianity is the uniqueness of Jesus Christ.

It is no longer salvation by works, but salvation through faith in Jesus Christ. So the Hindu convert is simply taught afresh all Christian doctrine.

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Hinduism and Conditional Immortality by Beryl J Hollis ( FDTL Iss 5)( Part 1)

The title of this article takes me directly into the subject of reincarnation. Re-incarnation is a term familiar to most people these days. It is the Hindu doctrine referring to the continual process of dying and being born again.
Another name for it transmigration. In today’s Western world this doctrine has become popular. It is part of the New Age beliefs; it is popularised by such people as the actress Shirley McCaine, and by others who declare they can remember something of their previous life or lives. Most of us have met people with this belief.

In Hinduism this doctrine of reincarnation doesn’t stand alone. Along with it is the Hindu teaching of karma, the law that what you do in this world, every deed, whether good or evil, influences what you are in your next birth. The consequences of one’s attitude and conduct follow as inevitably as effects follow causes in the physical world. The conditions into which an individual is born into this world depend on his conduct in previous lives. This makes it possible to explain any apparently undeserved pleasure or suffering as a result of deeds done in a previous life.

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From The President’s Desk Iss 5 1996 by David Burge

The Old Testament celebrates life. Life is an unqualified good, a gift from God ( Gen 2:7). Wisdom holds in her left hand wealth and honour, but in her right hand long life ( Proverbs 3:16). All that one has one will give for one’s life ( Job 2:4). “Anyone who is among the living has hope – even a live dog is better than a dead lion” (Ecc 9:4)

This strong profile attitude can not be divorced from the biblical view of death. Only in extreme circumstances would a Hebrew person extol death (Job 3:17-26). The dead are not able to praise the Lord ( Psalm 115:16-18). They neither remember him or give him thanks (Psalm 6:5). They are cut off from his hand (Psalm 88:5).

Our culture with its materialistic view of death as the natural end of life ( and paradoxically a flourishing belief in the immortality of the soul, “out-of-body” and ”near-death” experiences) many times sees death as a friend. Whereas life for the aged, the unborn, and the severely disabled is regarded as a burden. Our culture has increasingly become a ” culture of death”.

The conditionalist view of death is seen as harsh. Not much to look forward to in comparison to “going to Jesus”. But death is a sobering reality. Death whenever it comes is still as enemy (1 Cor 15:26). We look forward to Christ’s coming to vanquish death. But in the meanwhile let us celebrate THIS LIFE whatever else it brings, as a God given opportunity to praise him ( Isa 38:18-19) and to share Jesus who is the life ( John 14:6) with those who do not know the true meaning of life (John 17:3)

‘He lifted me up and set my Feet upon the Rock’ Armand Newrick FDTL Iss 30

On the first Sunday of April 1965, at the tender age of 9 months, mother decided the time had come to trundle two older brothers, a reluctant husband, and me off to Saint Matthew’s Anglican Church in Hastings. I don’t recall this, but the vicar K.F. Button sprinkled me with holy water and pronounced me right with God (according to our family tradition). I have the ‘Certificate of Baptism’ to prove it. According to my certificate my parents vowed that I would ‘Be virtuously brought up to lead a Godly and a Christian life.’ This meant nothing to Father who had no time for religion, except to keep Mum off his back. For Mum the vow consisted of making my brother and I kneel by our bedside and repeat ‘the Lord’s Prayer’ in good ol’ King James English. It wasn’t long before my brother and I convinced Mum she was fighting a losing battle introducing religion into our lives. It was Dad and us against her. [Read more...]

Book Review:Rethinking Human Nature: A Christian Materialist Alternative to the Soul by Kevin J. Corcoran. FDTL Iss 31

Kevin J. Corcoran begins what is a philosophical book with a very personal reflection: “In 1968 I lost my father to cancer,” Corcoran recalls. “I was four years old. I can still remember the funeral home. And I can remember that as I looked into the casket, my mother told me that my father was now with God in heaven. I remember feeling perplexed. And why not? My father was lying lifeless before me. How could he be with God in heaven?”

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A Summary And Review Of “What About The Soul?” Neuroscience and Christian Anthropology Edited By Joel B. Green. FDTL Iss 29

Modern neurological research is challenging the traditional concept of a “soul” or a “spirit” separable and distinct from the body and/or the mind. In light of these discoveries, this book explores such fundamental questions as, Who am I? What am I doing here? Why do I do what I do? What does it mean to be saved? How am I responsible for my behaviour? What is the meaning of resurrection? and What happens when I die? [Read more...]

Twisted Scripture: Hebrews 12:23 by David Burge FDTL Iss 30

A reader writes

Dear Mr. Burge,
Could you help me understand a difficult text. I am a conditionalist like you, but I am having a really tough time making sense of Heb 12:23, specifically, the reference in that verse to “spirits of righteous men made perfect.” I have consulted many commentaries, but they all explain this in a dualistic fashion. I have read your short study of this verse in “From Death to Life” (issue 30), but I had a hard time following your argument. I agree that as Christians we worship God in the Spirit, but I don’t see the connection of that point to the phrase in Hebrews about coming to “the spirits of righteous men made perfect.” The plural “spirits” is what makes the phrase tough. If it were singular, then I could see it as a reference to the Holy Spirit, but the plural seems to indicate that something else is in view. And seeing that the author has just catalogued the righteous saints of old, whom he says God wanted to perfect with the Church, it seems very much like the author is referring to these dead saints in 12:23. Perhaps the idea is that their spirits, that is their lives, which are somehow with God now, even if not conscious, have been perfected? Anyway, I am sure you are very busy, but might you be so kind as to drop me a couple of lines to clarify your position? I would be very appreciative. I hope to hear from you when you get a chance. [Read more...]

A Summary And Review Of “Four Views of Hell” Edited By William Crockett FDTL Iss 28

by David Burge
The book, “Four Views of Hell”, is intended to have the feel of a civilized debate about it.The reader is allowed to see four competing views of hell laid out side by side. Each is presented, then critiqued. John Walvoord argues that hell is a literal place of literal smoke and flames in which the wicked will experience a very physical form of everlasting conscious torment. William Crockett defends a metaphorical view in which the wicked will experience everlasting torment but that torment is not necessarily one of literal fire. Zachary Hayes is called upon to explain the concept of purgatory. Clark Pinnock defends the view we know as conditional immortality. He argues that ultimately God will annihilate the wicked. [Read more...]

What is a Funeral For? by David Burge FDTL Iss44

An English vicar, Rev. Edward Tomlinson, of the Church of England, got grief for himself when he suggested that his role at funerals that featured pop music and bad prose from grieving participants was superfluous:

“I have stood at the Crem like a lemon, wondering why on earth I am present at the funeral of somebody led in by the blaring tunes of Tina Turner summed up in pithy platitudes of sentimental and secular poets and sent into the furnace with “I did it my way” blaring out across the speakers,” he wrote in his blog on the website for St. Barnabas Church in county of Kent.

His remarks angered bereavement counsellors and humanist groups and prompted much debate over what is appropriate and what is not when it comes to mourning.

“The best our secularist friends (and those they dupe) can hope for is a poem from Nan combined with a saccharine message from a pop star before being popped in the oven with no hope of resurrection”, Tomlinson said. [Read more...]

The Worm That Never Dies — Mark 9:48 by Dr. John Roller FDTL Iss 44

Dr. John Roller sends out regular emails answering questions on matters related to the Bible from a Conditional Immortality perspective. More information about Dr. John Roller, including more free Conditional Immortality resources can be found on his website .

What follows are Dr. Rollers remarks – Editor.

Question of the Month

Q: What is meant by the biblical expression “the worm dieth not”?

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Justin Martyr, God’s Philosopher — Part 3 by David Burge FDTL Iss 44

What the early church really believed about the immortality of the soul, “hellfire” and its relevance to today, from the life of Justin Martyr — An address delivered to the CIANZ Annual Conference, May 2009.

Loose Lips?

Justin speaks in various ways of the evildoers’ “punishment in eternal fire” and of “eternal punishment”. He says that “the sword of God is fire, of which they who choose to do wickedly become the fuel.” These are not just “big words and bugbears”, says Justin, as if Christians wished only to scare people into living a virtuous life, rather this punishment reflects the reality of God’s justice. While the language of “eternal punishment” and “eternal fire”, as it is found in Scripture, is adequately explained by Conditionalist writers, either as referring to the result of the judgment, or to its sharing in the quality of the “age to come”, there are, however, some more explicit statements of Justin’s which seem to conflict, and therefore need to be reconciled, if possible, with what we have seen above of Justin’s beliefs. [Read more...]

Resurrection Revealed — Part 12 by Beryl Ching FDTL Iss44

The Resurrection in Acts—Part 1

General Resurrection

Though earlier chapters of Acts do not speak of Paul talking about the General Resurrection, (though he made much of Christ’s resurrection), his speech to the philosophers on Mars’ Hill, includes the declaration that judgement is ordained through “that man”, of which the proof is that “he hath raised him from the dead.” Obviously, that judgement could not come about unless men were raised from the dead, so the general resurrection is inferred here (Acts 17:31).

In his defence before Felix, Paul stated that he believed all the things which were written in the law and the prophets, and went on to say. “And have hope towards God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.” (Ac.24:14, 15). Paul was thus insisting that what he preached was only what was found in the Old Testament Scriptures, and though the Sadducees present might not believe this, any Pharisees there did so (Ac.23:8). [Read more...]