the logic of conditionalism by Jefferson Vann

Conditionalist theologians believe that the Bible presents a complete and verified doctrine of human nature. We do not believe that God has left out pieces of the puzzle from the scripture that have to be supplied by pagan philosophy. Augustine believed that God gave him insight into human nature through the writings of Plato, but we reject that. We trust the Bible alone to explain who we are.

Thus we find it illogical to make faith-statements like this:

“I am eternal.
Not this flesh that your eyes can see
But the soul that lives inside of me;
Not this body that soon shall expire
But the sanctified soul that cannot die.
I am eternal.”1

Such statements sound spiritual and encouraging, until one dares to actually look into the Bible to find support for them. It is there that one comes face to face with an astonishing absence of proof for such an eternal soul.

One would expect that if God had endowed all humanity with an eternal immaterial essence, it would have been prominent in the creation account in Genesis. Here is what God says about our creation:

“The LORD God formed the man from the soil of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.”2

Our identity does consist of two parts: this “flesh that your eyes can see” and life from God. There is no indication from the text that the life is the person. The life animates the person. If the life goes back to God, the person returns to the soil. Death is not the separation of body and soul, but the separation of life from the person.

The man (Adam) was formed not from some spiritual substance in heaven, but from the soil of the earth. God animated that combination of soil-elements and the animated substance became “a living being” – literally, an alive soul.3 Before God animated him, he was already a soul, but was not yet alive.

The reason this is important to conditionalists is that we believe that life is not a right. It is a gift bestowed upon humanity by God’s grace, but conditional upon our proper use of the gift. If we abuse the awesome gift of life, God is not compelled to keep us alive for eternity. Life was a gift at creation, an opportunity to live forever, but that opportunity was soon lost.

That is why God warned Adam:

“but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die”4

What God actually said was “dying, you shall die.”5 He gave a very accurate description of the human species — after the fall. We have become a dying species, and each individual who is part of the species shall eventually die.

Again, God does not insert any notion that this death sentence refers only to a part of us. He does not whisper to Adam “of course, this excludes your soul, because it cannot die.”

Whose idea was it that human beings are incapable of death? We first hear the words “You won’t die!” from that crafty serpent in the garden.6 Should we trust him to give us an accurate theology of human nature? Surely he has a lot to gain by convincing us that death is not real. But what do we gain by believing it?

Conditionalists believe that death is a reality for everyone was in Adam when God warned Adam not to eat of the forbidden tree. That includes Eve, since she was part of Adam at the time. That includes you and me, since we were still part of Adam as well. So, everyone, regardless of their spiritual condition will experience this death.

Just look around at all the cemeteries scattered throughout the planet. You will see that God’s threat was real. Death is a reality for all of us.

The good news of the gospel is not that Satan was right and God was lying. The good news is that God in his grace offers us hope beyond death: a resurrection of the whole person unto eternal life.

Jesus said: “an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.”7

This resurrection to eternal life is the true hope of the believer, not going to heaven as a disembodied spirit. In fact, Jesus says that if he does not raise you from the dead, you will be lost!

“Now this is the will of the one who sent me–that I should not lose one person of every one he has given me, but raise them all up at the last day.”8

This would make no sense whatsoever if believers are already with Jesus in heaven for thousands of years before the resurrection. It is only logical if believers are in their graves awaiting a resurrection when Christ returns.

This also explains why the apostle Paul argued strenuously for a physical resurrection to the Corinthians. These Corinthians had been exposed to the pagan philosophical notion of the immortal soul. In explaining the gospel, Paul had to convince them that this notion was wrong. He had to show them that the resurrection is necessary.This is what Paul says to them:

“For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. If in this life only we have hoped in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied. But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ.”9

Nowhere in Paul’s argument does he concede that death is not real. He argues for the absolute necessity of a resurrection. In fact, he says that if there is no resurrection, believing in Christ is futile. If there will be no resurrection, we are all still in our sins. If there will be no resurrection, we are of all people most to be pitied.

Why? Because those who die have fallen asleep. They are not alive somewhere up yonder or down there. They are not alive anywhere.

Jesus experienced that state of death – from Good Friday to Easter Sunday. Paul says that Christ was the first to be awakened from that sleep. The rest of us await his coming. It is then that we will be made alive again. Paul argues that until that takes place, our hope in Christ is only that. It is a hope. If Christ does not return to raise us, that hope will be in vain.

Plato’s philosophy of the innate immortality of the soul had permeated the western world. Surely all the Greeks in Corinth would have been aware of it. If Paul had agreed with Plato, this would have been a logical place to indicate it. Instead, Paul argues against the popular notion of a continued conscious existence at death. He argues that unless and until the resurrection takes place, the Christian hope of eternal life will not be fulfilled. The popular Christian teaching today borrows Plato’s notion of continued conscious existence and reads it into the Bible. The result is that the resurrection takes second place to “going to heaven when I die.” The biblical hope is never death, but always resurrection.

Jesus knew that each one of his disciples would go to that dark place of death and experience that sleep for millennia before his return. His message to them was not “you will come to me when you die” but “I will come again and take you to be with me.”10 He comforted them by assuring them of their resurrection and reunion with him at his return. Surely, if they were going to already be with him in heaven for thousands of years, that would have been the logical message to give them. Why would he omit that if it were the truth?

The popular theology of conscious existence at death teaches that people go to their reward or experience their punishment immediately after death. The Bible teaches that both reward and punishment will take place after Christ returns.

“For the Son of Man is going to come with His angels in the glory of His Father, and then He will reward each according to what he has done.”11

God has appointed a day in which every believer will receive the blessings of his faith and every unbeliever will receive the consequences of his unbelief. That day is not the day of our death but the day of Christ’s return. By following the pagan teaching of immediate rewards and punishment at death, we are in effect rejecting what the Bible says. We are choosing to believe what the world teaches instead of what God says in his word. Conditionalists believe that it makes a difference.

The logic of conditionalism says that God will not judge before the day in which he has set to judge: the judgment day.

“For he has set a day for judging the world with justice by the man he has appointed, and he proved to everyone who this is by raising him from the dead.”12

The parables Jesus taught his disciples that refer to his return indicate that his return is the time in which he will “settle accounts” with his followers and his enemies.

“When the Son of Man comes in his glory…Then the King will say …take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. ”13

“After a long time, the master of those slaves came and settled his accounts with them.”14

If Jesus had intended to settle accounts with us at death, why would he mislead his disciples by teaching something different? Why would he allow these teachings to be placed in holy Scripture to further the misleading? Conditionalists see the teaching that people go to their reward or punishment at death as a clear misrepresentation of what the Bible actually says about how and when God will bring about justice.

Jesus also taught the disciples to be hospitable toward the poor, who will not have the means to repay them for their hospitality. He said that they would be repaid, not when they die and go to heaven, but “at the resurrection of the righteous.”15 Surely if believers go to their reward at death, then they would be repaid for their good deeds then. But the Bible says otherwise.

The consistent and systematic emphasis of the apostles also concurs that believers will be rewarded, not at death, but at the second coming:

“let us encourage one another– and all the more as you see the Day approaching.”16

“Yet a little while, and the coming one will come and will not delay”17

“Be patient, therefore, brothers, until the coming of the Lord. See how the farmer waits for the precious fruit of the earth, being patient about it, until it receives the early and the late rains. You also, be patient. Establish your hearts, for the coming of the Lord is at hand.”18

“Look forward to the gracious salvation that will come to you when Jesus Christ is revealed to the world.”19

“So now, little children, remain in Him, so that when He appears we may have boldness and not be ashamed before Him at His coming.”20

“…that you keep the commandment without stain or reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ.”21

Each of these apostles taught that the hope of the believer was the return of Jesus Christ, accompanied by the resurrection of all in their graves, the reward of those in Christ, and the punishment of those not in Christ.

If the doctrine of the immortality of the soul is correct, all of these apostles (James, Peter, John, Paul, and the author of Hebrews) were misinformed. They placed their hope in the coming of Christ when they should have placed it in the death of the believer.

But it gets worse. Even Jesus was apparently just as mistaken. He told believers “hold fast till I come” when he should have said “hold fast till you die.”22

It is the Bible’s teaching about the second coming that is at stake when one surrenders to the innate immortality theory. The Bible teaches that Christ’s return is the single most important event of all history. The doctrine that people’s spirits remain alive at death and begin eternity then subverts this truth. That doctrine makes the second coming practically unnecessary.

The logic of conditionalism returns the second coming to the forefront of Christian doctrine. It says that immortality is conditional. Only those who are given eternal life by Jesus when he returns will live for eternity. All others will suffer their appropriate punishment for their sins, and die forever.

The logic of conditionalism returns Jesus Christ to the center of Christian theology. Our hope is not in ourselves – in something intrinsic within our nature. Our hope is in our Lord. We await a Savior who will take away the death that we deserve and give us life by his grace. Our hope is not that we will get what’s coming to us when we die but that he will bring an inheritance we do not deserve when he comes. We wait on our Lord to fulfill his promise. We promise to hold fast ‘till he comes.

  1. Alfred T. Mitchell, “I Am” in Tome of the Universal Poet (Xlibris Corporation, 2010), 166. []
  2. Genesis 2:7 (NET) []
  3. Hebrew nephesh chayah []
  4. Genesis 2:17 (ESV) []
  5. a literal rendering of the Hebrew mot tamut []
  6. 6Genesis 3:4 (NLT) []
  7. John 5:28-29 (ESV) []
  8. John 6:39 (NET) []
  9. 1 Corinthians 15:16-23 (ESV) []
  10. John 14:3 (NET) []
  11. Matthew 16:27 (HCSB) []
  12. Acts 17:31 (NLT) []
  13. Matthew 25:31,34 (NIV) []
  14. Matthew 25:19 (NET) []
  15. Luke 14:14 (NIV) []
  16. Hebrews 10:25 (NIV) []
  17. Hebrews 10:35 (ESV) []
  18. James 5:7-8 (ESV) []
  19. 1 Peter 1:13 (NLT) []
  20. 1 John 2:28 (HCSB) []
  21. 1 Timothy 6:14 (NASB) []
  22. Revelation 2:25 (KJV) []

Paradise

Recently, my pastor and his family went on vacation, and he asked me and my family to house-sit their residence.  It was an interesting experience.  His house is much larger, and in a much nicer neighbourhood than any I have lived in.  When I went on my daily walks, I found myself contemplating the beauty and orderliness and spaciousness of the neighbourhood.  I was not exactly envious – God has taken care of me and mine; I have never had a reason to complain.  But I could not help but be struck by the extravagance of it all.

As I was musing over this one morning on one of my walks, I found myself praying to God.  He asked me to take a good look at all this wealth, blessing and provision.  Then he asked me to imagine myself (as he often does) a million years into the future.  Looking back on those few days in the pastor’s neighbourhood helps me to keep things in perspective.  It helps me to realize that my entire life is simply a short temporary stay in (as it were) a borrowed house.  What my Father has in store for me, when I get where he wants me, will be so magnificent that those few days among the well-off will seem like slumming. [Read more...]

Around the Web in July

theway21stcentury.wordpress.com/2011/06/13/hell-and-rob-bell/

The middle view, often called ‘conditional immortality’, seems to me to make most sense of the Biblical evidence. In particular, it recognises that Jesus spoke of ‘destruction’ (which implies an end), and that ‘eternal’ means ‘in the age to come’, not ‘unending’. It is more realistic than universalism and more compassionate than the traditional view.

http://www.beretta-online.com/wordpress/2011/tom-wright-wrong-about-soul-sleep/

Wrights work, not least in his book Surprised by Hope has really done a marvellous job of urging Christians to stop thinking of our hope in terms of heavenly bliss after we die, and to get back to the biblical message of the resurrection of the dead. This in itself, whether Wright intends it or not, will nudge people in the direction of being more open to the doctrine of soul sleep.

Please leave other links of interest in the comments~ed.

Around the web April 2011

Many links this time; Rob bells’ book Love Wins have heated up the hell debate!

Please note that not all links express the views of this website but are given for your interest. Any other links of interest please leave them in the comments for our interest.

http://ekklesiahellweek.wordpress.com/

I just found the above site, well worth a read

“This blog is not intended to endorse or promote any particular theological position on the subject of Hell.  We would like for you to engage in prayerfully considering the topic as you engage scripture, logic, and your fellow brothers and sisters over this topic.  This blog is intended to serve as a landing place for whoever is interested in further engaging the conversation we started on the nature of Hell in Christian Theology.  We hope it will provide some resources for you to further investigate what you believe and why you believe it.”

so you will find a variety of view on the site. Here is the link to the pro-annihilationist view articles:

http://ekklesiahellweek.wordpress.com/category/annihilationist-view-of-hell/pro-annihilationist-view-of-hell/

“Feel my faith” is having a look at the topic of hell : http://www.feelmyfaith.com/2011/04/four-views-of-hell.html

http://what-the-hell-is-hell.com/ What the hell is Hell? comes to Christian Universalism conclusions and rejects annihilationism and links to this article http://www.tentmaker.org/books/EternalDeath.html

but we have lots of common ground in rejecting the traditional view of hell and the site is well worth a read. Here is a quote

After spending several years in many different denominations of Christianity, spending thousands of hours comparing and studying various translations of the Bible, looking into the Greek and Hebrew behind our English translations, studying the writings of the early Church Fathers, and seeking God in prayer with all that is in me, I am one hundred percent convinced there is NO such thing as a Hell of everlasting tortures as taught in most denominations of Christianity.

http://eikondenver.wordpress.com/2011/04/08/understanding-the-rob-bell-debate/ more on the Rob Bell debate

a quick summary http://www.joeandheidiwhite.com/2011/04/four-views-on-hell-part-44-conditional.html . I’m excited that bloggers are looking at the 4 views.

http://hellreexamined.wordpress.com/ an online book on the topic of  hell

http://hellreexamined.wordpress.com/2011/04/02/too-hot-to-handle/ I had no idea that ” the preaching of Jonathan Edwards resulted in suicides by certain persons who were so terrified by this deliberate misuse of the Christian sacred texts.” He linked to Edward’s Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God: http://youtu.be/9fgHLtrDu7w

http://3-ringbinder.blogspot.com/2011/04/implications-of-conditional-immortality.html here is the article the author refers to

:http://3-ringbinder.weebly.com/uploads/1/9/1/0/1910989/the_bible_teaches_annihilationism.pdf

http://www.apologetics.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=160968#Post160968

http://wheatamongtares.blogspot.com/2011/03/afterlife.html

Why Anihilationism is not universalism http://www.patheos.com/community/bibleandculture/2011/03/18/mt-10-28-why-anihilationism-is-not-universalism/

Is anihilationism then any sort of  form of universalism?   No, it is not.   Let us return to the battle field imagery.  My father fought in WWII for  George Patton’s army and he saw many destroyed villages at the end of the war in Germany and Czechoslovakia, destroyed by Allied bombers.  When he walked into a village and found a few survivors, a few who had been saved through and despite the malestrom,  while the vast majority had been destroyed,  he could never have said—- “well they all ended up being saved”.  Of course not.   The last persons standing were saved, and none of the last persons standing were destroyed,  but this is hardly any form of universalism at all.

Links to some audio files : “Views of Hell” from Steve Gregg

who is becoming increasingly uncomfortable with the traditional view of hell

My most recent theological shift seems to be concerning the nature and purpose of “hell.”  As long ago as the late eighties, I became aware that two of my most-admired evangelical leaders, John R.W. Stott and Clark Pinnock, had taken the surprising position that hell is a place of annihilation, not eternal torment. I could not immediately accept this (being fundamentally conservative by temperament), but it lodged in my mind. Somewhere along the way, I also heard that certain evangelical Christians, like Hannah Whitall Smith and George MacDonald, were Christian Universalists. This bothered me, somewhat, but I had become much more open-minded to letting others reach their own conclusions, by now, and was not as greatly alarmed as I would have been a decade earlier.

It still seemed to me, however, that the safest position to take is the traditional view of a hell of eternal torment (might as well prepare people for the worst possibility!). I found it fairly easy to remain dispassionate on the subject while presenting all three options to callers on my radio program, but I still felt that the evidence for the three views was about equally distributed, allowing me to retain my default position (the traditional view) in good conscience. In the last few years, however, I have become less and less impressed with the nature of the biblical evidence for the traditional view, and more concerned about its implications with reference to the character of God. Today, I have been thoroughly moved from my former confidence in the view of endless torment. I am currently in the process of deciding between the two options—both of which seem to be superior, in terms of biblical evidence, to the traditional view, though neither provides a thorough refutation of the other.

Some would, no doubt, conclude (on the basis of all of these confessed changes in my theology) that I am theologically unstable, “tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine.” Actually, since the mid-seventies, there has been no “to and fro-ness” about it. I have not gone back-and-forth in my beliefs. Rather, each change I have made has been precipitated by the previous ones, and has been a necessary advance prodded-on by those that lie behind. Personally, of course, I regard the sum of these shifts as “progress.” I do not expect all who read this to agree with me in this assessment.

Bible Standard July 1878

Bible Standard July 1878 is now available online.
The Saints’ Inheritance by Geo. A Brown and Words of Comfort by Geo A Brown, articles from this edition have also been republished.

Resurrection Revealed Part 14 by Beryl Ching Part 1 FDTL Iss 46

Resurrection in the Epistles- Part 1

General Resurrection

We find God described in Rom. 4:17 as “God, who quickeneth the dead” or as the N.I.V. translates it, “the God who gives life to the dead”. The New Bible Commentary says, “God’s life-giving power is seen in the miracle of Abraham’s procreation of Isaac (19; cf. Heb. xi. 12, ‘and him as good as dead’), by the deliverance of Isaac upon the sacrificial altar (cf. Heb. xi. 19, ‘God was able to raise him up, even from the dead’), and by the resurrection of Christ (24).” As Paul, later in his epistle, speaks of the resurrection of believers, we can assume that he also had in mind the power of God to raise from the dead all those who have faith in Him.

In Rom. 6:4, 5 both Christ’s resurrection and ours are mentioned, because our resurrection depends on Christ’s. Paul points out that we are one with Christ – if we have died with Him, we will also be resurrected with Him. The theme is continued in v. 8 and 9. We can believe that we shall live with Christ, because He, having been raised from the dead, will not die again – death does not have any further dominion over him.

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WHY THE BATTLE FOR RESURRECTION TRUTH IS IMPORTANT: AND WHY IT IS A BATTLE from Resurrection Volume 96 No.1 Jan – Jun 1993

1. The Subtle Character Behind the Opposition: Satan Himself ( Gen 3:1, Rev 12:9)

Having lost the battle to frustrate God’s Grand Plan of redemption at Calvary ( Gen 3:15, Jn 12:31) Satan works in the Gospel Age to corrupt the truth and confuse the mind of the saints, because “he has but a short time”, Rev 12:12. [Read more...]

Will Enoch and Elijah be the two end-time “prophets” of Revelation 11?


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ROLLER UPDATE #33 – July 28, 2010

QUESTION OF THE MONTH

Q: Will Enoch and Elijah be the two end-time “prophets” of Revelation 11?

A: No. The question is based on two commonly-believed ideas, both of which (in my opinion) are incorrect. [Read more...]

THE BOOK OF LIFE:THE FINAL DETERMINER OF LIFE OR DEATH BY ROBERT L. WHITELAW from Resurrection Volume 96 No.1 Jan – Jun 1993

A. INTRODUCTION

“And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before the throne; and the books were opened: and a another book was opened, which is (The Book) of Life; and the dead were judged by the things written in the books according to their works …And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the Lake of Fire (which is the Second Death).”

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ON THE SUBJECT OF DEATH from Resurrection Volume 96 No.1 Jan – Jun 1993

A.  WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT DEATH, OF SAINT AND SINNER ALIKE

1. It is RETURNING TO DUST: Gen. 3:19,  Job 20:11, 21:26, 34:15, Ps. 22:15, 30:9, 49:12, Ps. 104:29, Ecc. 3:19, 12:7

2. It is like SLEEP: Job 14:12, Ps. 13:3, 17:15, Mt. 9:24, Jn. 11:11, 1Cor. 15:6, 18, 20, 51, 1Th. 4:13, 14,5:10, etc.

3. It is a state of DARKNESS or FEARFUL SHADOW: Ps. 23:4, 88:6, 12, 144:4

4. It is the TOTAL ABSENCE OF SOUL-LIFE (Heb. nephesh, Gk. psuche): Ps. 22:29, Ez. 37:2-10

5. In Death there is NO “BREATH OFLIFE”, ie. Spirit (Heb..ruach, Gk pneuma): Job33:4, Job14:10, Ps.104:29-30, Ecc.3:19, 12:7 [Read more...]

LETTER TO A PASTOR WHO INSISTS LUKE 16:19-31 MUST BE TAKEN LITERALLY from Resurrection Volume 96 No.1 Jan – Jun 1993

Dear Brother,

I was truly pleased with your last letter. For the first time you have identified for me the basis of your exegesis of Luke 16:19-31 namely that one must take it literally.

Having applied this rule to the parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus (by which you condemn ‘soul-sleep’ as heresy!), honesty demands that you apply the same rule to at least a score of passages, O’I’ and NT, that bear on the same theme. In doing so, I submit you will find it “hard to kick against the pricks” of Holy Scripture that lead irresistibly to further Biblical truth on the matter. Indeed, I am confident you will then look back and wonder how you came to your present views on this subject.

Let me therefore suggest a sequence of exegetical steps:

Step 1: If Jesus’ parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus in Luke 16:19-31 is to be taken as a literal description of the Intermediate State (despite obvious problems that presents), it follows that:

Step 2: Acts 2:34 a categorical statement,”David is not ascended into the heavens” must also be taken literally proving that David was still in Hades at Pentecost;

Step 3: 2 Sam.7:12 (with Acts 2:29) must also be taken literally, that David was both asleep and dead when God raised Christ from among the dead to sit on his (present) throne;

Step 4: Job 14:10-12 must be literal where Job declares that man (not man’s body, as some teach) “dies …and rises not, nor wakes, nor is raised out of sleep till the heavens be no more”, i.e. Judgment Day, per Rev.20:11;

Step 5: Job 14:13-15 must likewise be literal, where Job speaks to God of his state in death, “Oh that Thou would hide me in Sheol;…all the days of my appointed time will I wait till my change come (cf.. 1Cor.15:51-52); Thou shalt call and I will answer Thee”;

Step 6: Jn.5:28, the NT passage parallel to Job 14:15, must also be taken literally, where Jesus portrays Resurrection Day by “the hour is coming in which all the ones (Note the Gk means persons, not mere bodies) in the graves shall hear His voice and come forth, the ones that have done good to a resurrection of life…” etc.;

Step 7: 1Cor.15:17-18 must be literal, “If Christ be not raised …the ones having fallen asleep in Christ have perished” (again the Gk means persons,not mere bodies);

Step 8: 1Cor.15:51-54, the glorious Resurrection Day promise, must be literal, “We shall not all sleep”- again meaning persons, not bodies- “but we shall all be changed (cf.Job.14:14) …at the last trump, and the dead (persons) shall be raised incorruptible …for this mortal (person) shall put on immortality…Then shall be brought to pass the written word ‘Death is swallowed up in victory’ …”

Step 9: In Jn.6:39, 40, 44, 54, we must take literally our Lord’s repeal phrase” And I will raise him up at last day” (Note again that the Gk means persons, not mere bodies!);

Step 10: In 1 Cor.15:22-23, we must take literally “As in Adam all die, also in Christ all will be made alive …Christ the first fruit, afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming; then comes the end … ” (the literal meaning surely being that no person once dead, lives again anywhere until the general resurrection Jesus plainly described in Jn.5:28);

Step 11: 1 Th.4:13-17, we must take literally “…concerning those sleeping …we believe that Jesus died and rose again, so also those having slept in Jesus will God bring with him…the ones living and remaining unto the coming of the Lord shall not precede the ones having slept …for the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout…and the dead ones (Gk. nekroi) in Christ shall rise first…and so shall we ever be with the Lord’  (Note that in all cases italicized, the Gk means persons, not mere bodies!);

Step 12: 1 Pe.1:3-7 is likewise literal in saying, “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ who …has regenerated us to a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from among the dead (Gk. ek nekron) … kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed at the last time …in order that the trial of your faith…might be found to praise and honor and glory at the revelation of Jesus Christ”;

Step 13: 1 Pe.1:13 is also literal in telling us, “Wherefore …hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ”;

Step 14: Co 1.3:4 is also literal in saying,”When Christ our life shall appear, then (Gk. tote, meaning at that time and not before) shall ye also appear with him in glory”;

Step 15: Phil.3:20-21 is also literal when it says, “For our citizenship is in the heavens from whence we await the Lord Jesus Christ who will change our body of humiliation, conforming it to his glorious body…”;

Step 16: In 2 Cor.5:2-10,Paul literally yearns “to put on our house from heaven …for being in this tabernacle we do not wish to put off, but to put on, in order that mortal (life) may be swallowed up by the life (to come) …therefore we are ever confident, knowing that being at home int he body we are away from the home (to come) from the Lord; confident and willing, rather, to leave the home of the body and to come home to the Lord; wherefore we labor, whether being at home (of this body) or leaving it, to be well-pleasing to him, for we must all appear before the tribunal of Christ, each one to receive (reward) for the things done in the (present) body …” (Here I suggest that you compare Rom.14:10-11, 15.45:23, and notice that the focus of Paul’s entire argument is Resurrection/JudgmentDay, rather than rapture-to-heaven at-death, a notion derived from Gnosticism).

Step 17: All Biblical statements and synonyms regarding the State of Death must now be reconciled,ie. the 51 times it is called “sleep”; 10 times “returningt o dust”; no soul-life (Ps.22:29); 7 times “no breath or spirit”; twice “no memory”; thrice “no knowledge or thought”; thrice “no strength or work”; twice “no speech”: thrice called “destruction”; and no hope of resurrection to life except by God’s power.

Step 18: Finally, it is surely agreed that if a literal reading of the passage in any Step is in conflict with that of another, Scripture cannot be made to contradict Scripture, so that they must be brought into harmony with the whole counsel of Scripture, on the principle of  1 Cor.2:13, 2Pe.1:21, at al. The above is an exercise in which you are surely skilled. It is worth your taking some time out of your busy schedule. When you have finished it, I am confident you will find that we are in much greater harmony on these matters than you now think.

Sincerely,…

Resurrection Truth in Job 14 and Romans 8 (Resurrection Volume 96 No.1 Jan-Jun 1993)

THE SEVEN-FOLD WITNESS TO RESURRECTION TRUTH IN JOB 14

Job 14:10-12 “Man dies and wastes away; yea, man expires …lies down and rises not.” Compare 1Cor.15:18-20, Jn.19:30, Heb.9:27

Job 14:12 “Till the heavens be no more, they (mankind) shall not awake, nor be raised out of sleep.” Compare 1 Cor.15:18-20, 2Pe.3:10-13, Rev.20.11

Job 14:13a “O that You (God) would hide me in Sheol., ..keep me secret, until Your wrath has passed.” Compare Rev.11:18, Rev.14:6-13, Rev.16:1-19, 1Thess.1:7-10.

Job 14:13b “O that You would appoint me a set time, and remember me!” Compare Lk.1:72, Lk.23:42-43, Acts 17:31.

Job 14:14 “If a man die, shall he live again? All the days of my appointed time will I wait, until my change come.”

Compare Mt.13:30, Acts 17:31, Rom.8:23, 1Cor.15:51-52, Phil.3:21, 1Th.1:10.

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Rejoicing in Our Sufferings Editorial—David Burge FDTL Iss 45

Beryl Ching, in her article on the resurrection in Acts, mentions a time when Peter and the other Apostles were called before the Sanhedrin to give account for their witness to the resurrection. The upshot of it all was that they were flogged and then let go under orders never to speak in that name (the name of Jesus again).

The reaction of the Apostles amazes me: “The apostles left the Sanhedrin, rejoicing because they had been counted worthy of suffering disgrace for the name” (Acts 5:41). I don’t know about you but I struggle to rejoice in my suffering!

Romans 5:2-5 says, “And we rejoice in the hope of the glory of God [The glory of God is often a synonym for the kingdom, Matthew 10:21, Mark 10:37]. Not only so, but we also rejoice in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope. And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out his love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit, whom he has given us.”

Romans 12:12 tells us, “Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer.”

When the Hebrew Christians, under the strain of constant persecution, were wavering in their devotion to Christ they were told: “Remember those earlier days after you had received the light, when you stood your ground in a great contest in the face of suffering. Sometimes you were publicly exposed to insult and persecution; at other times you stood side by side with those who were so treated. You sympathized with those in prison and joyfully accepted the confiscation of your property, because you knew that you yourselves had better and lasting possessions.” (Hebrews 10:32-34).

Notice that they “joyfully” accepted the confiscation of their property. And notice why. It was because they knew that they had “better and lasting possessions”, not at home hidden under the mattress, but in the form of eternal life in the coming kingdom of God.

If you want to be able to rejoice in your sufferings get to know more of the hope of the glory of the kingdom of God.

New Zealand Conference

Leaflet advertising the Conference on Saturday 8th May in Parnell, Auckland, New Zealand.

Click to download leaflet CIANZ Conference 2010 in Parnell, Auckland

Book Review:Rethinking Human Nature: A Christian Materialist Alternative to the Soul by Kevin J. Corcoran. FDTL Iss 31

Kevin J. Corcoran begins what is a philosophical book with a very personal reflection: “In 1968 I lost my father to cancer,” Corcoran recalls. “I was four years old. I can still remember the funeral home. And I can remember that as I looked into the casket, my mother told me that my father was now with God in heaven. I remember feeling perplexed. And why not? My father was lying lifeless before me. How could he be with God in heaven?”

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A Summary And Review Of “Four Views of Hell” Edited By William Crockett FDTL Iss 28

by David Burge
The book, “Four Views of Hell”, is intended to have the feel of a civilized debate about it.The reader is allowed to see four competing views of hell laid out side by side. Each is presented, then critiqued. John Walvoord argues that hell is a literal place of literal smoke and flames in which the wicked will experience a very physical form of everlasting conscious torment. William Crockett defends a metaphorical view in which the wicked will experience everlasting torment but that torment is not necessarily one of literal fire. Zachary Hayes is called upon to explain the concept of purgatory. Clark Pinnock defends the view we know as conditional immortality. He argues that ultimately God will annihilate the wicked. [Read more...]

Hymns

Here is a link to a Advent Christian Hymnal which contains  hymns from a conditionalist perspective.  If you know of other hymnals online or other hymns from a conditionalist perspective  please leave a link in the comments.

Here is one taken from the Conditional Immortality section
764.
O wond’rous gift! O matchless love!
Bestowed in mercy from above:
The priceless gift that all may claim,
Through faith in one prevailing Name.

Through Adam’s disobedience, all
‘Neath the death penalty do fall;
Sinners with him, with him man dies,
No endless life this life implies.

In the all-wise, eternal plan,
A hope is offered dying man,
And one is promised who can save,
And rescue from the cruel grave.

God’s only Son assumed man’s guilt,
To ransom him, his blood was spilt.
The debt he paid upon the tree,
And life eternal gained for thee.
E.E. Miles

From The President’s Desk Issue 3 May 1995

This is David Burge’s Editorial from the Issue 3 “From Death to Life” Magazine.

An article entitled “Heading for the Light ( Next  Magazine April 1995) asked the question “When we die do we simply sink into oblivion? Or is death a doorway to some other place?” The front cover promises the reader, “Find out how heaven looks”. What followed was a series of interviews with Kiwis ( New Zealanders) who had been “beyond and back”.
One woman described how her near death experience has given her a “wonderful assurance” about death. She “knows” that death is merely a transition to some other place and “not something to be feared”.
A Muslim lady reported encountering a being “she knew was God”. She experienced an “amazing peace”. The “god being” told her helpful things about her life. She told her children that death is like going to another country and living very happily there.
Another woman said, “Death is not the tragedy we think it is and the body is not important”. She told her dying father there is “just shining happiness ahead”. (Scenes of souls in torment are relatively rare, except in a limited number of Christian examples.)
There was no mention of Christ or faith in his finished work on the cross by any of the travelers.
The article reminded me of three things:

  1. Secular Kiwis are still concerned to know what happens to them after death. Conditionlist Christians need to be prepared to put forward the biblical view of “Life only in Christ” in answer to the questions they are asking.
  2. Although most Christians would reject the validity of these experiences of “heavenly” bliss for non-believers, I can’t help thinking that Christians who hold to the belief in the immoratality of the soul are entering into the spiritual battle at best only half-armed. At worst they may be buttressing the position of the enemy. We need to put the conditionalist perspective before our brothers and sisters in Christ too.
  3. We are justified in rejecting experience , however real they may have seemed to the participants at the time, when they contradict God’s Word , the Bible. Are we not likewise justified in rejecting so called Christian experiences of heaven or hell when they fly in the face of the biblical evidence?

No posting for a while…

David has asked me to let you all know that he will not be able to post for a while.

He has been diagnosed with leukemia. You can find all his news on a blog I started for this purpose.

Kind Regards

Tarnya Burge ( David’s wife)