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		<title>From The President&#8217;s Desk Issue 2</title>
		<link>http://www.afterlife.co.nz/2009/publications-conditional-immortality/from-death-to-life/from-the-presidents-desk-issue-2/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 03:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is Carl Josephson&#8217;s Editorial from the Issue 2  “From Death to Life” Magazine. Tragedy struck a young friend of ours recently. Her father died suddenly and unexpectedly. She has a faith in the risen Lord Jesus Christ, as does her mother, but her father&#8230;? Well, he showed little interest in Christianity. Our friend wants [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><a href="http://kiwiwebhost.prion.net.nz/~soul/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/carlsphoto.jpg"></a><a href="http://www.afterlife.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/carlsphoto.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-1482 alignleft" style="margin: 5px;" title="carlsphoto" src="http://www.afterlife.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/carlsphoto-189x300.jpg" alt="" width="189" height="300" /></a>This is Carl Josephson&#8217;s Editorial from the Issue 2  “From Death to Life” Magazine. </strong></p>
<p>Tragedy struck a young friend of ours recently. Her father died suddenly and unexpectedly. She has a faith in the risen Lord Jesus Christ, as does her mother, but her father&#8230;? Well, he showed little interest in Christianity. Our friend wants to know where her Dad is now, and what will happen to him.<br />
It made me thankful to God, yet again, that in His infinite wisdom He has not granted immortality to all; that those outside of Christ will be judged and destroyed, not eternally tormented.<br />
I was talking with a young mother who some years ago received a visit from the police to tell her that her mother had been murdered. Again, there was some doubt about her mother&#8217;s salvation. To her, comfort lies in God&#8217;s justice and mercy. She does not have to think of her mother possibly being tormented day and night right now, or later. She does not have to try and reconcile eternal torment with the God revealed to us in the Lord Jesus Christ, a God of Love.<br />
One of the young men in the local youth group shared with me a year or so ago about the time the family he was boarding with lost a teenage son. Once again, there had been no interest shown in Christ. This young man shared with me how he wished he had known and understood <em>conditional immortality </em>at the time because the dead boy&#8217;s father had challenged him- &#8220;You believe that my son is going to hell to be eternally tormented, so how can you comfort me or expect me to come to church and believe in a God of love?&#8221;<br />
I often wonder how those Christians who do believe in a state of eternal <em>conscious</em> separation from God for the unsaved (whether fiery torment to some modified version) can faithfully counsel those who have lost unbelieving family and friends. Do they avoid the inevitable conclusion of their beliefs- that the dead person isn&#8217;t really resting-in-peace.<br />
So they pretend that the person has gone to heaven? Or do they compromise the love of God by trying to justify a loving God who also punished some of our loved ones with eternal discomfort?<br />
How can we expect to convince others (or ourselves) of eternal happiness and peace with Christ if we believe that some loved ones are consciously, eternally, crying out for relief from anguish and pain?<br />
Thank God for revealing Himself to us as a God who does judge and condemn sinners, but who gave His own Son on the cross to pay the penalty for all who would believe, and who will destroy all who refuse to turn to Him.<br />
<strong> YES</strong>, conditional immorality is relevant to everyday life and death.<br />
<strong> YES</strong>, conditional immortality is an important doctrine to be preached faithfully in the Christian Church, and spoken of as comfort and hope for the bereaved.<br />
<strong> YES</strong>, we do have a role to play in promoting, a correct understanding of the Biblical teaching of conditional immortality.</p>
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		<title>The Hope of The Righteous (Part 1)</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 04:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is the fifth of a series of sermons I am preaching at my church. This one is entitled, The Hope of The Righteous: The Kingdom of God on Earth! (Part 1). It is less directly related to Conditional Immortality &#8211; and I know not all conditionalists agree with the main thesis: that the hope [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the fifth of a series of sermons I am preaching at my church. This one is entitled, The Hope of The Righteous: The Kingdom of God on Earth! (Part 1). It is less directly related to Conditional Immortality &#8211; and I know not all conditionalists agree with the main thesis: that the hope of the righteous is still a resurrection to eternal life in the kingdom of God on earth. It does however show that nowhere in the Old Testament are the righteous told to hope for &#8220;heaven at death.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>1. The “kingdom” when it refers to God’s sovereign rule over the universe exists from all eternity.</strong></p>
<p>&#8220;The Lord has established his throne in heaven and his kingdom rules over all” (Psa. 103:19).</p>
<p><strong>2. God’s plan was (and still is) to manifest his kingdom rule on earth through Adam and his kin.</strong></p>
<p>To Adam and Eve God said, &#8220;Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground.” (Gen. 1:26-29).</p>
<p>Even after the fall, God did not abandoned his plan. Rather he promised that one would come, &#8220;the seed of the woman&#8221;, to win back humanity&#8217;s birth right:“And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel” (Genesis 3:15).</p>
<p>So to Noah God gave the same commission as to Adam: &#8220;[God said], &#8220;Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. The fear and dread of you will fall upon all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground, and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands. Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything&#8221; (Gen. 9:1-3).</p>
<p>Nowhere here is there any hint that Adam or his kin were ever promised that they would go to heaven when they die. Rather, Adam was promised (conditional upon his obedience to God) the chance to take from the fruit of the &#8220;tree of life&#8221; and live forever on a paradisical earth.</p>
<p><strong>3. God promised Abraham that his children by faith would inherit the Land.</strong></p>
<p>The LORD had said to Abram, &#8220;Leave your country, your people and your father&#8217;s household and go to the land I will show you.&#8221;I will make you into a great nation and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you.&#8221; (Gen. 12:1-3).</p>
<p>There is here a threefold promise of Land, Seed (or descendants) and Blessing.</p>
<p>Later Paul tells us, ”Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world” (Rom. 4:13).</p>
<p>As to the hope of the righteous, the writer to the Hebrews tells us that Abraham believed in the resurrection: &#8220;Abraham reasoned that God could raise the dead, and figuratively speaking, he did receive Isaac back from death&#8221; (Heb. 11:19). Again, we have no hint that Abraham or any of the chosen family believed in &#8220;heaven when you die.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>4. Israel was to be a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.</strong></p>
<p>Through Moses, Israel was told: &#8220;Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession. Although the whole earth is mine, you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation&#8221; (Exodus 19:5-6). Again no hint of heaven at death for the chosen people.</p>
<p>So it continues under Joshua and the Judges. God&#8217;s promise to the righteous is life in the Land.</p>
<p><strong>5. The Kingdom of David and Solomon was a type of the Kingdom of God to come.</strong></p>
<p>Saul was the king that Israel asked for. David was the king God chose.</p>
<p>God made this promise to David: “I declare to you that the LORD will build a house for you: When your days are over and you go to be with your fathers, I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, one of your own sons, and I will establish his kingdom. He is the one who will build a house for me, and I will establish his throne forever. I will be his father, and he will be my son. I will never take my love away from him, as I took it away from your predecessor. I will set him over my house and my kingdom forever; his throne will be established forever.” (1Chr. 17:10-14).</p>
<p>Again, there are three aspects to this promise:</p>
<ul>
<li>A Royal House [Dynasty];</li>
<li>A Royal Throne / Kingdom; and,</li>
<li>A Royal “Sonship”.</li>
</ul>
<p>The promise centred around Jerusalem and David&#8217;s earthly kingdom. There is nothing said of heaven when we die.</p>
<p>After Solomon the Kingdom was divided. The people fell away from God. The Lord sent Assyria  to conquer Israel (c. 725 BC) in the north and Babylon to conquer Judah (c. 585 BC) in the south. The “Times of the Gentiles” had begun.</p>
<p><strong>6. The prophets still looked toward a worldwide empire under God.</strong></p>
<p><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-1237" title="kingdom" src="http://www.afterlife.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/kingdom-300x247.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="247" /></p>
<p>Isaiah said, “The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf and the lion and the yearling together; and a little child will lead them. The cow will feed with the bear, their young will lie down together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox. The infant will play near the hole of the cobra, and the young child put his hand into the viper&#8217;s nest. They will neither harm nor destroy on all my holy mountain, for <span style="text-decoration: underline;">the earth</span> will be full of the knowledge of the LORD as the waters cover the sea.&#8221; (Isa. 11:6-9).</p>
<p>Daniel too had a vision: &#8220;In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed. (Daniel 7:13,14).</p>
<p>This kingdom is what became known as the &#8220;kingdom of God.&#8221;</p>
<p>Daniel goes on: “Then the sovereignty, power and greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven will be handed over to the saints, the people of the Most High. His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all rulers will worship and obey him.” (Daniel 7:27).</p>
<p>As you might now be beginning to expect, there is no hint here of heaven when you die. The saints are destined to reign with Messiah in his kingdom.</p>
<p>The Jews did return to the Land in 539 BC but this was in no way the promised restoration of the kingdom.</p>
<p>Nehemiah, having returned to the Land, prayed: &#8220;But see, we are slaves today, slaves in the land you gave our forefathers so they could eat its fruit and the other good things it produces.  Because of our sins, its abundant harvest goes to the kings you have placed over us. They rule over our bodies and our cattle as they please. We are in great distress.” (Nehemiah 9:36-37).</p>
<p>They were still waiting for Messiah and his kingdom to come.</p>
<p>No wonder there was much excitement when Jesus arrived saying, “Repent for the Kingdom of God is near.” (Matthew 4:17).</p>
<p>There is more to come but that will have to wait until next week &#8230;</p>
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		<title>A New Heaven and Earth</title>
		<link>http://www.afterlife.co.nz/2008/theology/heaven-and-afterlife/a-new-heaven-and-earth/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Scripture puts forward the hope that Heaven and earth will be made new (Isa. 65:17, 66:22, Rom. 8:19-21, 2Pet. 3:13, Rev. 21 &#38;22). &#8220;The earth will be filled with the glory of the Lord&#8217;s &#8220;(Num. 14:21, Isa. 11:9, Hab. 2:14) and &#8220;God will be all in all.&#8221; (1Cor. 15:28). If there is at least one [...]]]></description>
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Scripture puts forward the hope that Heaven and earth will be made new (Isa. 65:17, 66:22, Rom. 8:19-21, 2Pet. 3:13, Rev. 21 &amp;22). &#8220;The earth will be filled with the glory of the Lord&#8217;s &#8220;(Num. 14:21, Isa. 11:9, Hab. 2:14) and &#8220;God will be all in all.&#8221; (1Cor. 15:28).</p>
<p>If there is at least one corner of this universe that exists forever in rebellion against him, this vision will never be fulfilled. If the wicked are to tormented for all of eternity how can it ever be said that there will be &#8220;no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away&#8221; (Rev. 21:4).</p>
<p>Conditional Immortality in teaching that the wicked will be finally destroyed and will be as if they have never been (Obad. 1:16) teaches the final fulfilment of this vision!</p>
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		<title>The Second Death</title>
		<link>http://www.afterlife.co.nz/2008/theology/annihilationism/the-second-death/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In thinking about the &#8220;second death&#8221; consider the following: Were the Old Testament sacrifices a picture of God&#8217;s wrath against sin? And were the sacrifices tormented or killed? Does the Law reveal God&#8217;s standard of justice? There are many crimes in the Law for which the punishment is death, are there any crimes for which [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-1628" style="margin: 5px;" title="37329795_c4f9329c4f" src="http://www.afterlife.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/37329795_c4f9329c4f-241x300.jpg" alt="" width="241" height="300" />In thinking about the &#8220;second death&#8221; consider the following:</p>
<p>Were the Old Testament sacrifices a picture of God&#8217;s wrath against sin? And were the sacrifices tormented or killed?</p>
<p>Does the Law reveal God&#8217;s standard of justice? There are many crimes in the Law for which the punishment is death, are there any crimes for which the penalty is perpetual imprisonment under torture?</p>
<p>If the penalty of sin is eternal conscious torment where is this first spelled out in Scripture? If it is not clearly spelled out right from the beginning how does this reflect upon the justice of God?</p>
<p>Is it not true that from beginning to end the Bible puts forth the question of eternal destiny as a question of life and death, not a question of life in one place as opposed to life in another?</p>
<p>Sober reflection will lead one to the conclusion that the penalty for sin was only ever death as shown by the fate of the sacrifices, by the fact that the death penalty was the most extreme punishment and by the fact that the Bible does not from the very beginning put forth the idea of a life in perpetual torment as the penalty for sin. The question of eternal destiny is indeed a question of life or death.</p>
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